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packard1928

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We do know know yet. I think after this release we may. Dev said this is mostly about Vivian. He noted that all the previews were abount the following release... so we are kinda blind about where this is going. I hope they join force so to speak and begin to take Christian down. As for her sleeping around... Maybe Hutch will take a Spy mentality to do what you have to do to complete the mission ..
 

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I hope but the question will be will she if she finds out Hutch used her. Personally I think in a weird way she will be happy. That situation will actually bring us back to the beginning when Christian asked Hutch to write down his weakness. He knew his weaknesses once his wife did what she did he decided to deal with it. Wouldn't be surprised if he wrote down his weakness after all.
At Christian's house? Hutch wasn't asked to write down his weaknesses, it was the strengths and weaknesses of five clients, and the same for five prospective clients.
 
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Friends, I want to ask you a question that I'm curious about the answer to: Does Christian get more pleasure from going back and forth in Vivian's holes, or from the humiliation of Hutch knowing this, or from Vivian's situation between pleasure and helplessness?
 

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Friends, I want to ask you a question that I'm curious about the answer to: Does Christian get more pleasure from going back and forth in Vivian's holes, or from the humiliation of Hutch knowing this, or from Vivian's situation between pleasure and helplessness?
I'll ask him next time I see him.

(Personally though, I guess it would be a combination of the physical pleasure and the pleasure of the situation.)
 

TheDuke9999

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Code.. seriously.. at this point.. Hutch lost his wife. Why don't you wrote were she has her inner monolog saying how she will let Hutch feel like he is in charge by letting her be the hooker she has always dreamed of being.. the boss and wife played Hutch.. the boss orchestrated while the wife blew him all the way home.. now it's time for real humiliation Hutch, now you feel pain sucker.. Hutch is a loser and we thank him for that so we can watch his wife be the slut God wants her to be
 
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packard1928

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Being that he is a sociopath I am sure he Loves the sex that is evident in his speach as he is fucking her. But,,, I think he loves the game of it more. As he mentioned... He has done this many times before. However he did not say what those people were to him.. Say clients, supplies or employees ect...
 

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At Christian's house? Hutch wasn't asked to write down his weaknesses, it was the strengths and weaknesses of five clients, and the same for five prospective clients.
You are right my wording was mixed with my perception of what Christians real reasoning. For me it felt like he really didn't care about the client aspect he was going to use to it on Hutch. Might be looking too far into it, might have been just what it was wanted sometime to fuck his wife.
 
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TonyMurray

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You are right my wording was mixed with my perception of what Christians real reasoning. For me it felt like he really didn't care about the client aspect he was going to use to it on Hutch. Might be looking too far into it, might have been just what it was wanted sometime to fuck his wife.
Yeah, it was clearly just to keep Hutch busy for a while - he wasn't interested in even seeing if anything had been written when they got back.
 
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I have just played the game again and something called my attention. When Hutch and Vivian are arriving at boss' house, Hutch complains that he does not like Vivian using heels, because she makes him look small. After that, she says, we are not small you are "fun" size. And then Hutch replies. Not tonight, implying he does not like this joke.

I think this particular dialogue shows that Vivian is not only dominant, but she also likes to make fun of her husband, indicating , at some degree, a tendency of liking humiliating him. English is not my native language, but hearing she says that Hutch is "fun" size is something a bit degrading (even if she is just focusing in his height, which may not be the case). And this does not seem to be the first time he complains about this "joke".
 

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Code.. seriously.. at this point.. Hutch lost his wife. Why don't you wrote were she has her inner monolog saying how she will let Hutch feel like he is in charge by letting her be the hooker she has always dreamed of being.. the boss and wife played Hutch.. the boss orchestrated while the wife blew him all the way home.. now it's time for real humiliation Hutch, now you feel pain sucker.. Hutch is a loser and we thank him for that so we can watch his wife be the slut God wants her to be
Maybe Vivians ideas for the clients came from watching Erin brockavitch movie
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Yeah, it was clearly just to keep Hutch busy for a while - he wasn't interested in even seeing if anything had been written when they got back.
I really loved Christian's reaction at seeing nothing written on the pad (when they came back to check). It showed that Christian really think Hutch is useless. Even Vivian could maybe jot stuff down. It only reinforces his opinion that Vivian is the brains of the house, and Hutch can only do numbers.
 

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I really loved Christian's reaction at seeing nothing written on the pad (when they came back to check). It showed that Christian really think Hutch is useless. Even Vivian could maybe jot stuff down. It only reinforces his opinion that Vivian is the brains of the house, and Hutch can only do numbers.
Vivian isn't the brains.. she is using what God gave her.. thoroughly over and over
 

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Good chance Hutch loves his wife but what she has done has changed him. He is going to use his wife to either get dirt on Christian that can do him harm or his clients harm. Vivian will be oblivious that her husband is using her. Hutch knows Christian has shady business practices; he'll use her to get his revenge.
think you are foiling your own theory.... "addison" the one character who everyone is thinking is a red herring as someone put it...or was it psychedevil one of you posted a theory about addison helping hutch regarding the deals gone wrong or some such incidents happening and her(addison) helping hutch after she finds out about vivian and christian. think thats a better theory as hutch doesn't want to cheat ... but this way he gets the revenge on christian and vivian is just collateral. excuse me if i butchered your theory.
Even Vivian could maybe jot stuff down
if you think it's that simple in accounting then i hope you never work in the finance department. jokes aside.... she did a lot more than take "stuff" in the backyard.
she is using what God gave her.. thoroughly over and over
harsh... but totally agree..... she has a talent for "getting (of) ;) customer" and as tg posted she may do a better "job" than hutch.
 
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packard1928

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True that... I think Hutch can think for himself. He is just under different pressure to save his job . THen he see Christian and Vivian in the backyard , His mind goes blank. Same when they were in the bathroom. Where I am not sure the game Christian is playing is the talk he has with Hutch in the parking lot. Also the talk he has with Vivian about him being the Man... All interesting....
 

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Code.. seriously.. at this point.. Hutch lost his wife. Why don't you wrote were she has her inner monolog saying how she will let Hutch feel like he is in charge by letting her be the hooker she has always dreamed of being.. the boss and wife played Hutch.. the boss orchestrated while the wife blew him all the way home.. now it's time for real humiliation Hutch, now you feel pain sucker.. Hutch is a loser and we thank him for that so we can watch his wife be the slut God wants her to be
This happens when you give unicellular organisms the opportunity to skip text!
You could have just told me that you didn't even had a clue that the last scenes in the game were labeled as "talking code", lol!
 

Luc77

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You talked a lot, I don't have time to follow the debate (maybe it's better :) )
I'll throw in my two cents:

brutally speaking : Viv is at the end of its "prime time", if she had led an ordinary life - these are the last moments for unlimited fun. Soon she will have to look for connoisseurs like Macron ;)
I have been in a long-term relationship myself (20+), and I understand all the presented behaviors.
I'm not judging Hutch or Vivian - she's not a whore/slut (not yet), although I'm afraid it's Chris's intrigues will go in this direction.
as I wrote at the beginning - the day Hutch disappeared, was the first day of revenge (on Chris)
He probably saw more than one fallen woman (by Chris) , and he will do anything to save Viv (and maybe marriage) - however, he will be exposed to a real test of will, forgiveness and love (Yes, I know, I'm an unabashed romantic ;) ). Without it we would have the usual fap-games


btw. In my country, there is a name Witold—I don't even want to check where it comes from...
 

TheDuke9999

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You talked a lot, I don't have time to follow the debate (maybe it's better :) )
I'll throw in my two cents:

brutally speaking : Viv is at the end of its "prime time", if she had led an ordinary life - these are the last moments for unlimited fun. Soon she will have to look for connoisseurs like Macron ;)
I have been in a long-term relationship myself (20+), and I understand all the presented behaviors.
I'm not judging Hutch or Vivian - she's not a whore/slut (not yet), although I'm afraid it's Chris's intrigues will go in this direction.
as I wrote at the beginning - the day Hutch disappeared, was the first day of revenge (on Chris)
He probably saw more than one fallen woman (by Chris) , and he will do anything to save Viv (and maybe marriage) - however, he will be exposed to a real test of will, forgiveness and love (Yes, I know, I'm an unabashed romantic ;) ). Without it we would have the usual fap-games


btw. In my country, there is a name Witold—I don't even want to check where it comes from...
I agree.. just cause she went uninvited to the bosses house with husband totally begging her not them bent over 5 minutes after getting banged doesn't make her whore.. your right
 

Luc77

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I agree.. just cause she went uninvited to the bosses house with husband totally begging her not them bent over 5 minutes after getting banged doesn't make her whore.. your right
I can easily imagine a situation where she, while accepting the dress, knew she was stepping onto shaky ground but didn’t expect things to escalate so quickly (I think she wanted to play a game with Chris herself, but he’s the master of this game—and he holds all the aces). From Chris’s point of view—when he saw her, he knew she had decided to play a game where he deals the cards. He chose to act quickly, not giving her any time. We even get confirmation of this during the night in the dining room. Viv simply sat down to play with the master—and lost. And the fact that it’s enjoyable… well, that just makes it easier to lose even more.


Your interpretations are very simple—more fitting for SAO or other "classic" Jap-stories.
 

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I just call it the way I see the VN being created and written.. I feel to many times people unintentionally put there own feelings and experiences into reviews.. words mean nothing.. actions to me dictate the story.. so I'm just calling this the way it's being portrayed
 
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